.410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

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bullet225ho
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.410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby bullet225ho » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:27 pm

Yes yes...I can hear everyone. Duplex a 410?????

Well I may be nuts...but I just put together some AA-HS 3" hulls with 1/2oz Tss and 1/8oz 4 Steel.

Not sure what the pattern will be like but I'm gonna shoot it and see...LOL

After having such good luck with the TSS/Steel 28ga loads last winter I just had to try.. I wanted the pellet count in the TSS and needed to take up some room so I added the steel on top. My hope is that the steel will open up the pattern on the 410.

Hal, what is the smallest TSS you have? or can get? Also is 10 TSS suiable for ducks at say 40yds? My KPY program is still at my old place....well I think it is and I have a new computer so I need to find it and load it onto this laptop.



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Re: .410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby hawglips » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:47 am

I have some 12s and 10s on hand....

You figure at 1200 fps, the 12s (1400+/oz) will give you 15+ yds of 1.5" penetration, whereas the 10s (500/oz) will give you about 50 yds of 1.5" penetration.



bullet225ho
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Re: .410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby bullet225ho » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:18 pm

Ok, 10's are what I'll need. I've got a flooded timber hole here at the new place and 15yds is just not enough. Heck, with that much shot in an ounce with the 10's I think a 2 1/2" load may work well with just 1/2oz TSS.



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Re: .410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby hawglips » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:21 pm

bullet225ho wrote:Ok, 10's are what I'll need. I've got a flooded timber hole here at the new place and 15yds is just not enough. Heck, with that much shot in an ounce with the 10's I think a 2 1/2" load may work well with just 1/2oz TSS.


Here's some 1/2 oz #10 ducks....

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Dave in AZ
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Re: .410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby Dave in AZ » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:25 pm

LOL, this is great ;)
I also love those pics of Hal with the #10TSS wood ducks, saw that a few times now and it's a great one. He did a thread on it somewhere, probably DHC? Maybe copied it here too? But it's the best #10 TSS info thread so far, not many posts of field experience out there yet.

I've got a ton of calculations for duplex combinations, but I always stopped at #9.5 TSS... at the time it was the smallest Hal had, but also 1/2oz is 217 pellets, which I knew is more than enough for any duck, and you get about 61-64 yds penetration to 1.5" gel at 1450fps, depending on sea-level or 1000'msl. ALSO, you get 39 yards or so penetration to 2.25" gel, which I use for goose estimates--and that makes it a viable "full range" goose load. Of course with the number of pellets you're throwing out, if you aim forward you'll be hitting the head for sure, so the penetration isn't really an issue I'd guess. However, with plenty of pellets in 1/2oz, I like the deeper penetration numbers of 9.5. Heck, I'd rather go with #9 pellets at 178 in 1/2oz, which is again plenty, and boost my goose range to 47 yards. Just like the larger diam kill mechanics better when it's all kinda unknown?

Hal probably has the best empirical field data for how #8,9,9.5, and 10 perform on ducks vs. each other, but I'd assume the larger the shot the better so long as sufficient pellets.

Anyways, your post just made me study 410 load data for 40 min... I could see swapping TSS straight in for ITX13 in BPI recipes. I can of course see replacing steel with TSS, but probably very low pressures. But in 2.5" hulls I only see 100-120gr steel loads at BPI, and with 3" hulls I see 150gr loads. What are you using for a rough datapoint for your load basis, just wondering? I was going to use it and give you pellet count numbers for the various TSS sizes.



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Re: .410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby hawglips » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:42 pm

Here's the light .410 loads that I have come up with.

3/8 oz 18g/cc shot
1510 fps, 6135 psi

½ oz 18g/cc shot
1327 fps, 13274 psi

5/8 oz 18g/cc shot
1430 fps, 11583 psi



bullet225ho
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Re: .410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby bullet225ho » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:10 pm

Thanks for the info Hal...
My 10 TSS showed up today....Thanks again.

Dave,
I used BPI info on the 3" hull load 120216-3711-4
I used the TPS wad and it took right at 1/8oz of #5 steel to fill it up to the crimp point.
Only 1/16oz difference in the payload (on the heavy side) I did drop the powder though. Actually had to drop powder to get the TPS to set at right depth. I also put together basically the same load in a cheddite hull and it had more room. I'll shoot these at the pattern board and chrono them here shortly...maybe Sunday. I'm still working on my TSS trap.

Another thing I've found out is Rio 3" 410 hulls are extremely short compared to AA-HS and Cheddite. I'm not sure about Fiocchi as I don't have any of those hulls. I'd say the Rio's could be roll crimped and be ok. Fold crimp makes them useless as you don't have room for a sufficient powder load and still fit the TPS wad. I'm sure you could over come that by trimming TPS wad (and I may)



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Re: .410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby Dave in AZ » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:02 pm

thx.
Well Crap. You guys.
Made me remove my 28ga tubes in my 682 today and stuff in my .410 tubes LOL! I shot a 23 and a 22 at skeet; got a 23 and 24 with 28ga Stevens 555. Which is exactly what I get with my 12ga shooting 1-1/8oz of shot on my good days! So it appears to all be the same to me...

Now you've got me looking for light o/u 410 cheap gun. And someone offered me a new in box MEC Grabber today for $200 in .410, so... yeah, yous-all are a bad influence.



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Re: .410 5/8oz TSS/Steel Duplex

Postby bullet225ho » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:29 pm

Ha ha,
Atta boy Dave...

Man you shot them clay birds up pretty good with all gauges.

If you can get your hands on a Tristar Setter .410 they are very light. I've handled one and it was a sweet little gun. Not sure if you have an academy around you but they have a Yildiz over under .410 and a very petite SxS. All of these guns can be had for under $500 and maybe way less. I'm sure there are many more out there but those are the only 3 I've had my hands on.




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